The A§H Clan

I feel like America needs to worry about its self before it goes helping other countries

First off I voted Yes... Secondly there are different ways of getting involved and different reasons why.
My viewpoint throughout this entire Russia-Ukraine thing is that Russia pretty much just wants to start expanding its borders.
This is what happened with hitler (yus, its a name, No I'm not going to capitalize it) where he took one country (I believe it was Czechoslovakia) And the world basically issued a collective Shrug, and ignored what was going on, you know the rest of the story. And we don't even necessarily need to send troops in order to stop whats going on. Back before America was all that special, Britain was trying to get involved in South America (I'm not quite sure where) and the US said NO... don't do that. And while Britain was militarily superior and could have won the ensuing war, it Just Wasn't Worth It. So Obama could potentially just tell Putin to stop.
My main concern is that if they take Ukraine they won't have a big incentive to Stop with Ukraine.
That and "conquered" people don't usually fair well.

A§H»Ranger wrote:So Obama could potentially just tell Putin to stop.
My main concern is that if they take Ukraine they won't have a big incentive to Stop with Ukraine.
That and "conquered" people don't usually fair well.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Putin- ... id/562320/

He already spoke to Putin earlier about it but Putin ignored him. Basically it's Ukrainians who are made up of Russians, who wish to rejoin Russia. The plane disaster makes this situation worse. The biggger fish eats the smaller fish, comes to play in this situation. That's where the Russian population of Ukraine is.
-Mandalor

Expanding borders like hitler in 1938?
You forgot smth very important.
Remember the 25 May president elections in Ukrain?
The east part didn't vote.That means that THERE IS NO ONE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE FROM EAST UKRAIN.
it's like the democrats in USA had a right to vote and the republicans not. The people from east (mainly with Russian roots) don't want to join EU , it's their right and they don't need to ask USA.
The government of west part attacks the east part (they call it Antiterrorist operation)and in the east part the majority of population is russian. Why r so many civilian casualties? They even hit with rocket a house located in Russia (near to the ukrain border) and 1 man dies.
And after that Russia must keep silent?
There r is no evidence that Russia is giving military equipment to the people of east. If y have evidence pls post it. Russia is trying to solve this problem in a diplomatic way.
Mandalore Putin isn't ignoring Obama . They talk on the phone very much discussing that problem.
Your map doesn't show the actual number of Russian population in east ukrain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZBEM2F9sIo

http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia ... sia-2014-7

http://www.businessinsider.com/rt-malay ... ine-2014-7

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/07/20/uk ... ysia-plane

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-ai ... h17-crash/

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/why-the-d ... l-concern/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... down-mh17/

1.I have seen this ,but pls look at the billboard that you can see on the video,there is a advertisement of a nearby car shop,we can even see the adress of it in the lower right corner : ул.Днепропетровская 34. It is located in the city Krasnoarmiysk . That city is controlled by the government of west ukrain from May 2014. We can make a conclusion that this military equipment belongs to the west ukrain army.
There are many fake videos on YouTube now with "Russian military equipment in ukrain".

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www ... 4CtIe.webp -this is that billboard from the 1 video

A§H»NAYOO wrote:1.I have seen this ,but pls look at the billboard that you can see on the video,there is a advertisement of a nearby car shop,we can even see the adress of it in the lower right corner : ул.Днепропетровская 34. It is located in the city Krasnoarmiysk . That city is controlled by the government of west ukrain from May 2014. We can make a conclusion that this military equipment belongs to the west ukrain army.
There are many fake videos on YouTube now with "Russian military equipment in ukrain".

Dang you're like a detective or something xD Good points Nayoo. What does Ukraine have to say about the airplanes since there is always a different point of view between the West and the East.
-Mandalor

I have read all that articles.They all say that it's Russia who helped the people from east ukrain to take down that plane.
Damn, the International experts didn't even start an investigation.So pls tell me why the whole American media is saying it's 100% that the Russia helped them???
How do they know? From fake videos??

The west ukrain government didn't even stop the fighting operation in the area of the plane crash.

I cant say that thease fake videos can be considered as evidence.
Why are there civilian casualties Shimmer? Are old people and children terrorists ?