The A§H Clan

Some general terms about camping and stuff for mr. Will All the stuff comes from Halo Nation wiki.

Halo Nation Topic on 'Camping' wrote: Although camping is a legal and legitimate strategy, and may actually be encouraged by certain survival-oriented game types (such as variants of Infection), most players complain that it takes away from the inherent fun of the game. It is often stated that it is a "noob" strategy, as it allegedly takes little "skill" and is a cowardly way to play. Though this is not always necessarily true, most players frown upon this strategy. Some claim that the term "strategy" is just an excuse.

Definition of noob tactics wrote:Traditional "noob tactics" in multiplayer include camping, janitor-like behavior, screenwatching, Noob Combos, overusage of power weapons like the Rocket Launcher and Energy Sword, and spawn killing. It can be argued that some tactics traditionally considered to be "noob tactics" require an appreciable amount of skill to use. A quote from Red vs Blue very effectively presents another viewpoint regarding such tactics: "it's a legitimate strategy".

Just reminded me about how you said this could be referred to an earlier post of yours----V

A§H»WillRok wrote:I also don't care about capping. Anyone can cap, but it takes a bit more skill to get 100+ kills and only a dozen or so deaths :]

It was just to funny to find the exact idea in a wiki topic and a player.
This was what I was talking about earlier in teamspeak how some tactics might seem nooby but they take a lot of skill. CAMPER!!!! :p
-Mandalor

When people call you a camping noob its usually because they can't stop you because of their lack of skill and so they turn to verbal insults to make up for what they can't do with their weapon(s).

dangit..... you find ways to wiggle out of every thread dirrected at you.
At that point I just rage quit. Whatever happend to the- I'm gonna dive straight into battle and fight with an assault weapon and just play. -_- I mean.... there's no point in arguing playing style. Any person should be able to wiggle out of any attack. There's no right or wrong in Halo I guess. Noob tactics or whatever, if you just play I guess thats what counts. Then again... who likes Campers! Then again someone can play Halo forever and never get better (couph Mandalor)..... but yeah.

A§H»WillRok wrote:When people call you a camping noob its usually because they can't stop you because of their lack of skill and so they turn to verbal insults to make up for what they can't do with their weapon(s).

What happens when you spawn with no weapons. couph last nights game night couph.



That would probably be me ready to die
-Mandalor

I go by whatever skill i can use to improve my rank is what i will do. For that reason there is no such move that i can make that is "Noobish" in any way unless its not using the available resources at that moment.

Ohohohoho, making an infamous impression in the Halo world WillCampLikeARok

;D

True this Mandalr.

And yes it is a legit strategy, it is a legit NOOB strategy. If a given player spends any more than 5% of a game not pursuing the flag and instead just trying to pick people off they fall within the NOOB category if you ask me.

It inflates one's kills and deflate's their comparative deaths thereby giving that player a false sense of superiority over the other players.

And though WR you're right that some people complain because they CAN'T create an adequate offensive response, others among us complain simply because the only equal response to combat campers is to become one themselves.

A true test of skill is to pursue the flag constantly while having a high kill ratio relative to your deaths.... WITHOUT campers playing.

TL;DR

WillRok's bad.

There are 8 players in a game. Most servers have the sniper rifle. So it is a tactic that some guys are camping and killing and some people are getting the flag. Noobish or not if you have a good working team on the server you need one or two campers. Without them Kelly won't be able to score cause nobody backs him up on his way to his base.

A§H»Kelly wrote:True this Mandalr.

And yes it is a legit strategy, it is a legit NOOB strategy. If a given player spends any more than 5% of a game not pursuing the flag and instead just trying to pick people off they fall within the NOOB category if you ask me.

All KINDS of false. What would it look like is all 16 people went for each other's flag? Leaves absolutely no one for defense, assault, or support. Actually GETTING the flag is just one aspect of CTF. You NEED people to stay at the base (or near it) for defense. You NEED people near the middle of the map to kill people and control key points of the map, you NEED people to go with you for the sole purpose of assault and covering your butt when you grab the flag, and you NEED people to provide cover fire and support when, and if, you leave the base with it. Without at least one of those factors, you won't score. I do all the above.

Anyone can jump in a vehicle, snag a flag, and hightail it out of there; I'm quite good at it tbh. But it isn't much fun ending the game in 8 minutes because you went cap happy, now is it?

A§H»£ñzó wrote:I go by whatever skill i can use to improve my rank is what i will do. For that reason there is no such move that i can make that is "Noobish" in any way unless its not using the available resources at that moment.

Unless you are referring to camping in the blood gulch caves now Enzo Get out of there!!!

A§H»VØLTÅG£ wrote:

A§H»Kelly wrote:True this Mandalr.

And yes it is a legit strategy, it is a legit NOOB strategy. If a given player spends any more than 5% of a game not pursuing the flag and instead just trying to pick people off they fall within the NOOB category if you ask me.

All KINDS of false. What would it look like is all 16 people went for each other's flag? Leaves absolutely no one for defense, assault, or support. Actually GETTING the flag is just one aspect of CTF. You NEED people to stay at the base (or near it) for defense. You NEED people near the middle of the map to kill people and control key points of the map, you NEED people to go with you for the sole purpose of assault and covering your butt when you grab the flag, and you NEED people to provide cover fire and support when, and if, you leave the base with it. Without at least one of those factors, you won't score. I do all the above.

You have a point in there Voltage. Everyone is right in the topic since this is all based on different points of view on what is right, and what is wrong. But I don't mean to criticize you but if half your team is couph Spanish players, they are going to get killed midfield and mostly camp at the base waiting for the ending. Lol not to be racist but it has happened enouph times. 

But for real I agree in a sense that someone can camp, if they are guarding the entrance to the road to the base. When I say that I mean infinity. That map was soooo much fun Basically like 4 of us would go one way, 4 of us would go another way, 2 of us would go underneath and take the longer path, and 2 people would guard the roads to the base. In that case I kinda find it fair since.... its Infinity for gods sake!!!! It's fun. 

And in some games Voltage that I've played in, literally you will see like 7 reds launching caravans and attacks at the blue team. It's so crazy and it's thrilling cuz you watch as one by one..... They all get torn apart!!!! WUHAHAHAHA!!!! 

In any game, there are many ways to get to the enemy place. It's not like everyone's going to go the same way and get chopped off now...... hehe. In games Spartans get killed, spawn back at base, and soon enouph theyre far from where his partners were. They've already got the flag. So all he has to do is catch up and provide fire (like you said). If I sound confusing forgive me. 

A§H»VØLTÅG£ wrote:Anyone can jump in a vehicle, snag a flag, and hightail it out of there; I'm quite good at it tbh. But it isn't much fun ending the game in 8 minutes because you went cap happy, now is it?

I believe in both kills, especially assists. But flag captures are important too. 

@Elbarto kelly and I have played and sometimes it'll be just him, I, maybe 4 other guys, and a couple of afks. He still manages to get flags and a couple of kills and a good kdr. It's not like I camp! Only if Enzos in the cave. We don't need campers to score. You just need people to rally to your flag escape which is what Voltage was saying. I've gotten the flag myself at times against the odds. Ive scored a flag even when practically my team is AfK or terrible I believe in luck when it comes to flag scoring. I dont need no campers Barto!!!!

I mean we all have our playing style and if we're good at it, then that's what counts. 

This has been turning into a heated debate, but if it's gonna get on everyone's nerves we might as well lock it. I was just validating WillRoks point of view and saying it was in a wiki topic. 

I kinda like the different points of views and ideas so far. Play on
-Mandator